Barb Doyon is the owner/founder of Extreme Screenwriting, a Los Angeles-based screenplay and TV pilot coverage service. She is well known among Hollywood producers as a skilled ghostwriter who is also a produced screenwriter, producer and award-winning documentary writer.
She’s a yearly keynote speaker at the Script-to-Screen Summit and has authored books on screenwriting including, Extreme Screenwriting: Screenplay Writing Simplified, Extreme Screenwriting: Television Writing Simplified, Turn Your Idea into a Hit Reality-TV Show, 10 Ways to Get a Hollywood Agent to Call You! and Magnetic Screenplay Marketing. Before opening Extreme Screenwriting, she worked at Walt Disney Studios writing press releases for the studio and Disney Sports.
What’s the last thing you read or watched that you thought was incredibly well-written?
Extreme Screenwriting’s client Larry Postel’s upcoming Netflix movie The Main Event was a solid, inspirational read. Larry captured the Follow Your Dreams theme and wove it into a compelling conflict that incited a hero to break through his flaws and become a champion. It’s the story of a little boy who takes on WWE Superstars and I love how the trailer states the theme.
How’d you get your start in the industry?
I worked at Walt Disney Studios in the press room where I wrote daily press releases for then-CEO Michael Eisner and the studio’s production companies. One day a producer asked if I had time to do coverages and he showed me how to spot the diamonds among the coal heap. This eventually branched into my company Extreme Screenwriting.
What do you consider the components of a good script?
Whether they realize it or not, audiences want to viscerally live through a hero and experience the types of change they can’t, won’t, or are too afraid to implement in their own lives. Regardless of genre, the writer should make sure that the external and internal conflicts are interlocked, resulting in an external conflict that forces change in a hero. Most writers are excellent at coming up with unique concepts, but fall short when it comes to the hero’s flaw and arc. A good script combines external and internal conflicts to solidify a hero’s arc.
What are some key rules/guidelines every writer should know?
-Interlock internal and external conflicts, as noted above.
-A producer should be able to remove all dialogue from a screenplay and still know what the movie is about. It’s called a ‘motion picture’ for a reason.
-Don’t take format for granted. Learn how to use it to create pacing, emotion and to help guarantee fewer scenes are rewritten or deleted during the development phase.
-Stop asking gurus to explain subtext and start listening. Learn to hear subtext in everyday dialogue. This is fastest, easiest way to learn how to write it and how to become a pro at lingo.
-Don’t toss in something because you think it’s interesting. If Mona’s red skirt doesn’t mean something to the story as a whole, then leave it out.
-Learn the genre rules! Producers buy screenplays based on genre.
-Start thinking of description as action and create moving picture. Don’t tell us the room’s filthy. Show John walk in, toss cigarettes into an overflowing ashtray and kick his feet up on a pile of yellow newspapers.
-Be able to state the screenplay’s theme in one line. Producers ask, ‘What is the theme?’ to weed out amateurs from pros. Amateurs can’t answer this question.
-Your hero should get the best lines, the last line, the big scene moments, a grand entrance, and the worst-case scenario should happen to them and they alone should resolve the main, external conflict.
What was the inspiration/motivation for your book Magnetic Screenplay Marketing?
It’s heartbreaking to see extraordinarily talented, aspiring screenwriters struggle for years to get a producer to read their material. Extreme Screenwriting does help writers promote their material in our monthly newsletter, but writers need to spend as much time marketing as they do writing. Most do not! Instead, they send out a few queries here and there, maybe attend a pitch festival every couple of years and that’s it.
The market is rapidly changing, and if aspiring screenwriters don’t change with it, they’ll be left behind with little hope of getting their material into the right hands. The change in the industry requires a new way of thinking and it does have a learning curve, so that’s why I decided to make a book detailing how to get ahead of the curve and beat the competition with this a marketing strategy.
This book is very different from other screenwriting books in that it focuses more on what a writer can do AFTER they’ve gained some experience and have market-ready scripts. Is what you describe a newer development for screenwriters, and what results have you seen from it?
The marketing technique I outlined in the book, related to getting a producer to call you, isn’t new to the industry. It’s been around for a long time, but until recently, this strategy hasn’t applied to screenwriters. However, there’s been a shift in the industry. Like any other product (yes, a screenplay is a product), the buyer (producer) wants social proof of its viability and is even hiring staff to find material with this ‘proof’ attached.
The Magnetic Screenplay Marketing book teaches the writer how to develop this marketing strategy and put it to use. Prior to publishing the book, I worked with 13 writers to beta test the strategy resulting in agent representation, three options, a television pilot deal and 362 combined read requests, averaging 27 per beta tester. A few did fail at the process, but they didn’t complete the steps, skipped steps, or simply quit before even giving it a try. Therefore, results will vary, but the bottom line is the fact that the industry is changing. I highly recommend aspiring writers get aboard this fast-moving train before they’re left behind.
One portion of the book is about writers obtaining “bread and butter assignments”. What does that mean, and why are they a potential avenue for writers?
This pertains to one of the strategies outlined in a section of the book on how to get an agent to call you. The first agent 99% of writers sign with will be from a boutique agency. These are the smaller agencies in town and while they do make sales, most of their commissions are generated from writing assignments, rewrites, and ghostwriting. It’s so prevalent that it’s literally become their ‘bread and butter’, in other words it’s the main moneymaker.
However, a lot of writers refuse to do this type of work. They’d rather wait around to sell their own screenplays. This sounds reasonable, but if it’s been a year (or 2) and a writer’s work hasn’t sold and the writer won’t do this lucrative work, they become dead weight for the agent. This creates an ‘opening’ for the aspiring writer who notes in queries that they’re open to all kinds of writing assignments! During the beta test, one of our writers gained representation using this strategy. A writer who isn’t open to doing assignments is leaving a lot of cash on the table and missing out on a golden opportunity to gain representation.
You mention sending in writing samples (when and only when requested). One of the options you suggest is to send the last 10 pages of a script. Why the last 10 as opposed to the first 10, and what results have you (or other writers who’ve done this) seen from this?
This is a strategy I decided to add to the book after several years of hearing of its success. Most agents, producers and story analysts agree that most writers know how to nail Act I, but then the material starts to fall apart. The result is an accumulation of story points that miss the mark.
Therefore, if a writer can still intrigue them with a strong ending that reveals voice, theme, solidifies a plot, and nails down pacing while intriguing them to want to know more, then the screenplay’s worth reading. This isn’t the preference for all agents and producers, but even those who start off requesting the entire screenplay often flip to the end first.
You also have a section of the book regarding writers creating teaser trailers for their scripts. What’s a teaser trailer for a script, and what’s the advantage in doing it?
This is part of the new marketing strategy that involves creating an audience for a screenplay via social media, primarily YouTube. This doesn’t involve a Hollywood-style trailer, but rather a simple teaser video that can literally be done for $0 cost (the book shows how) and all the writer has to do is write a 1-page script.
Think about it. For years, producers have purchased books and reality-TV concepts that got their start on social media, based solely on the fact they came with a built-in audience. When a writer sits down to pitch a script, I guarantee the producer is wondering if the story can draw an audience, but imagine the potential for a sale if the writer walks in the door with an audience already attached to the screenplay. It’s a huge advantage and can make the project a hot commodity!
How can people find out more about you and the services you provide?
Extreme Screenwriting invites writers to visit us at www.ExtremeScreenwriting.com. We offer coverage, a free monthly newsletter, and see the Bookshelf tab for the Magnetic Screenplay Marketing book (available for instant eBook download).
I also have three new books:
Screenplay Format: Learn How to Format Like a Pro
Teaches screenwriters industry format from basics to pro techniques, including how to use format to create emotion, suspense, etc.
Screenplay Notebook: Story Analyst’s Checklist
A workbook that includes Story Analyst’s Checklist for plot/execution, characters, dialogue and scenes with 26 blank pages for each section to work through problem areas. Makes a great keepsake.
Screenwriters World: Word Search Puzzle Book
Great for breaking writer’s block and having fun. Makes a great gift for screenwriters.
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3 thoughts on “Q & A with Barb Doyon of Extreme Screenwriting”
So much good advice in this post! Thanks for sharing 😁
Sorry for the delay but the email address I had for you didn’t go through. Hopefully you get this.
Jasper and the humbugs – Barb 11-21-21
I think a good way to get a Christmas feeling is to have Santa appear in a few scenes.
1) Jasper and other small elves are busy making a new toy. The winner of best new toy (voted on by all the small elves in his class) gets to deliver the toy in person to Mary Alice at her birthday party in Lardville. Jasper does a lot of extra chores at the schoolhouse in an effort to improve his odds of winning the contest. Miss Merkin tells Jasper she appreciates the extra effort her puts into the chores but the winner is determined solely by the best new toy as chosen by fellow classmates..
As a bonus the winner gets to sit on Santa’s lap at the annual Santa’s Helpers
Jasper wins with a delightful marionette that resembles Pinocchio.
He, along with Santa have made a new, magnificent toy doll house complete with furniture and decorated rooms. The doll house is larger than Jasper. He hopes Mary Alice isn’t too old to appreciate the gift. Santa says he’ll make special arrangements to have the doll house delivered to the party.
2) Santa sends the elves, along with towering Two Ton tony off on their journey to Mary Alice’s birthday party. He gives Tony a sack full of birthday party favors for the other children. Tony pulls a small sleigh with the sack of toys, clothes and things for the party.
Santa shows up at the party with the doll house. At the party Mary Alice is ecstatic with her new doll house and marionette. She says she’ll never be too old for collecting special dolls.
He tells the children can tell him what they want for Christmas. They jump up and down with joy as they get in line to sit on Santa’s lap. Jasper is dejected that he has to wait until the annual North Pole celebration to be able to sit on Santa’s lap.
3) After their attack on the toy warehouse Bah and the humbugs make their way back to Humbug hallow. They spot the second the second shelter. Bah peeks into the window and observes the elves and Tony sound asleep. He spots the Pinocchio marionette on a chair by the door. To his amazement the door is not locked. He creeps into the shelter and grabs the Marionette and sneaks unseen out the door. The humbugs, with an ecstatic Bah, scamper away from the shelter.
4) At the annual Santa’s Helpers Celebration Bah and the humbugs show up and join in the festivities. Bah volunteers to help repair toys at the toy warehouse.
was this meant for Barb? I think her contact info is in the interview.